Timeline for Pronunciation of -ies, like the last syllable of "accessories" and "bees" in BrE
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| Aug 20, 2016 at 6:42 | comment | added | Stats Cruncher | About 2 days ago the blog you referred to [The fallac[ɪj]of schwee](englishspeechservices.com/blog/the-fallacɪjof-schwee) mentions a similar thought. Now thanks for your answer and more references. I think it is great for English learners to group&compare them at the same time. | |
| Aug 20, 2016 at 6:32 | comment | added | sumelic | @user9418: Different people have different distributions of tense and lax variants of the "happy vowel." It is possible to have [i] in "rally" and [ɪd] in "rallied": see the comment by Steve Doerr at 10 November 2010 at 13:18 on the following blog post: "believing descriptions" (John Wells’s phonetic blog). However, it's also possible to have [i] in both or [ɪ] in both. "Identify" always has the diphthong /aɪ/, which is an entirely separate sound. | |
| Aug 20, 2016 at 6:22 | comment | added | Stats Cruncher | Does the same rule apply to V + ied? Rally / i / Rallied / ɪ d /; Identify /aɪ/ Identified / aɪd / | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 10:20 | comment | added | sumelic | @user9418: There may be a length difference on average; that seems likely, actually. But it's hard to say that this will hold when you compare these sounds in any particular pair of words since phonetic vowel length is affected by many other factors in English, like the number of syllables in the word or the voicing of the following consonant. Using a long vowel in the first syllable of "create" won't make it sound like a different word. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 10:16 | comment | added | Stats Cruncher | By the way, "Collins COBUILD English Dictionary for Advanced Learners" says / i / has a sound like / i: /, but is short like / ɪ /： very / ˈveri / create / kriˈeɪt /. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 9:53 | comment | added | sumelic | Glad to help. That system seems to be popular, and as I said, there are some advantages to using diaphonemic symbols like /i/ (in a dictionary, it saves space since you don't have to transcribe two pronunciations for every word with a variable vowel). They just can be a little tricky sometimes since people are inclined to think "these vowels are transcribed differently, so they must be pronounced differently!" and that isn't always the case. Sometimes the pronunciation of a weak vowel is intermediate, but sometimes it just coincides with one sound or the other. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 9:49 | comment | added | Stats Cruncher | Thank you for giving a full explanation and more references. The dictionaries I often look up are "Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary" and "Collins COBUILD English Dictionary for Advanced Learners". Collins adapted IPA symbols which is standardized in the English Pronouncing Dictionary by Daniel Jones(14th Edition 1988). | |
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| Aug 17, 2016 at 9:32 | history | answered | sumelic | CC BY-SA 3.0 |