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Dec 6, 2013 at 2:31 comment added StoneyB on hiatus “… if you had seen what I have seen of heresy, you would not think it a light thing even in its most apparently harmless and even lovable and pious origins” — Shaw. “The ability to consider, or even to prefer, the interests of others to our own … “— Niebuhr “The whole purpose of the Buddhist was to put back the clock, or even to stop the clock, or even to smash the clock”— Chesterton
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Dec 6, 2013 at 2:03 comment added James Waldby - jwpat7 (a) “it is general reference and even common knowledge” ↔ “it is general reference and some people think it is common knowledge” (ie even = possibility, not certainty, here). (b) AHD's definition appears to support your point of view, although I don't agree that that def applies here. Note, neither of AHD's examples is a convincing example of such usage. Even doesn't carry a sense of indeed or moreover in either AHD example. (c) Since my comments reflect opinion rather than real evidence, I won't say more, but if you happen to have a convincing reference, please post.
Dec 6, 2013 at 1:00 comment added StoneyB on hiatus @jwpat7 American Heritage Dictionary even, adv. 1.b Indeed; moreover. Used as an intensive.
Dec 6, 2013 at 0:38 comment added StoneyB on hiatus @jwpat7 What do you take even to mean in general reference and even common knowledge?
Dec 6, 2013 at 0:11 comment added James Waldby - jwpat7 I don't know of any situation where even means “what is more, moreover” and it certainly doesn't have such a meaning in the example. -1.
Dec 6, 2013 at 0:05 history answered StoneyB on hiatus CC BY-SA 3.0