Timeline for Why not ‘mark’ instead of ‘marked’?
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| Apr 6, 2019 at 12:15 | history | edited | Lambie | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 6, 2019 at 11:15 | comment | added | user3395 | @LucianSava To clarify: what's orthogonal, by my lights, are the method and the end result; the method being the (imagined, metaphorical, but nonetheless very "real-feeling" in the moment) present time which might be used to make the narrative more vivid or whatever. : ) | |
| Apr 6, 2019 at 7:52 | comment | added | Lucian Sava | @userr2684291, Yes, they are not mutually exclusive. Both can be in the eye of the beholder. | |
| Apr 6, 2019 at 0:26 | comment | added | user3395 | @LucianSava I don't see why these would be mutually exclusive. As CGEL puts it, "[historical present] can be regarded as a metaphorical use of the present tense, a device conventionally used [...] to make the narrative appear more vivid by assimilating it to the here-and-now of the speech act" (emphasis mine). Without being too formal about it, when I use this "device" (in my first language), I definitely think of these actions as occurring right now, sort of brought into and playing out at the present moment. | |
| Apr 5, 2019 at 21:59 | comment | added | Lucian Sava | @userr2684291, I agree that tipically, from the point of the storyteller, the time is the present, but More recently, analysts of its use in conversation have argued that it functions not by making an event present, but by marking segments of a narrative, foregrounding events (that is, signalling that one event is particularly important, relative to others) and marking a shift to évaluation. | |
| Apr 5, 2019 at 20:47 | comment | added | user3395 | @LucianSava From the point of the storyteller, the time is the present, or rather, the situation is described as if it were happening at the present moment. | |
| Apr 5, 2019 at 18:13 | comment | added | Michael Harvey | Battles are only a "success" for one side, aren't they? | |
| Apr 5, 2019 at 17:32 | comment | added | Michael Harvey | Turning points tend to be decided or identified after the event, and thus are generally in the past. | |
| Apr 5, 2019 at 15:13 | comment | added | Lucian Sava | +1, I agree except for the historical present in which present can be used without having the meaning you mentioned. | |
| Apr 5, 2019 at 14:55 | history | edited | Lambie | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 5, 2019 at 14:21 | history | answered | Lambie | CC BY-SA 4.0 |