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Apr 20, 2014 at 12:57 history edited Alium Britt CC BY-SA 3.0
emphasizing the important points
Apr 20, 2014 at 12:55 comment added A-friend Ahah. Got it. Excellent. It was the point I needed here. thanks a zillion @AliumBritt. ;)
Apr 20, 2014 at 12:51 comment added Alium Britt @A-friend - You are confusing "completing a test" with "taking a test". Completing is only the finish of the test, which should be a short amount of time. Taking the test can be very long and that can be used with "until". Think of it like crossing the finish line in a race. The race takes a long time but crossing the finish line does not.
Apr 20, 2014 at 12:48 comment added A-friend I exactly know what you are getting at @AliunBritt. But "completing a test" can be a process like "giving a presentation". If you can help me to distinguish these two, I guess it can be very helpful step to finalize this problem.
Apr 20, 2014 at 12:44 history edited Alium Britt CC BY-SA 3.0
Adding clarification for time period as asked in comments
Apr 20, 2014 at 12:41 comment added Alium Britt @A-friend - The meaning of "He is giving a presentation by 8pm" would be different. It means that at some point before or at 8pm this person will give a presentation, but not all the time in this period before 8pm. "Until 8pm" means the whole period before 8pm. This is why you can't say "This test must be completed until 8pm" because completing a test is a short action and doesn't make sense for it to happen over a long period of time the way "until" implies.
Apr 20, 2014 at 12:35 history edited Alium Britt CC BY-SA 3.0
elaborated on state and added period of time component
Apr 20, 2014 at 12:34 comment added A-friend Of course @AliumBritt. But I am sure "This test must be completed until 8 p.m." doesn't make any sense in English. Also "He is giving a presentation at the theater by 8 p.m." is not correct too. Right?
Apr 20, 2014 at 12:30 history edited Alium Britt CC BY-SA 3.0
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Apr 20, 2014 at 12:25 history answered Alium Britt CC BY-SA 3.0