Timeline for meaning of "claim" in "claim asylum"
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| Dec 22, 2019 at 9:58 | comment | added | Apollyon | @Astralbee For a person to be accepted into a team, he or she also has to be assessed, just like a person seeking asylum. But why can't the "gain or achieve" sense apply to the asylum case? | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 13:43 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | @Apollyon: Absent further context, "The exiled king returned to claim his rightful place on the throne" is quite simply ambiguous. Sure, he definitely asserted his right to be enthroned - but only the full context would tell us whether the claim was in fact successful or not. | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:42 | comment | added | Apollyon | I found such sentences curiously illustrating the two senses under consideration in two dictionaries. The online Cambridge has "When King Richard III died, Henry VII claimed the English throne" to illustrate the "assert one's right" sense, but in "The exiled king returned to claim his rightful place on the throne," "claim" is used by Merriam-Webster to illustrate the "to take (something that belongs to you or that you deserve)" sense. | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:27 | comment | added | Astralbee | @Apollyon What do you think about that one? Do you think a person could take a throne and replace an enthroned king without that claim being challenged? Or do you think they would have to go through some kind of process? | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:24 | comment | added | Apollyon | In "The exiled king returned to claim his rightful place on the throne," does "claim" only mean "assert one's right to"? | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:20 | comment | added | Astralbee | @Apollyon Claims based on legal precedents always have to be assessed, or considered. It isn't really for a person to walk into a different country and demand that they have a right to live there - they would make a claim, and the basis of that claim would be considered. In other contexts, the basis of the claim is set out beforehand - for example if a store said "the first 100 people can claim a £5 voucher", those people would walk in and "claim" it by taking receipt of it. | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:18 | comment | added | Apollyon | Why can't that sense be assigned to "claim asylum"? | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:17 | comment | added | Astralbee | @Apollyon Yes, it can be used to mean collect, or take, but on the basis that you have a right to it. | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:16 | history | edited | Astralbee | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:15 | comment | added | Apollyon | Are there any principled reasons why "claim" can mean far more than "assert your right to" in such cases but not in others? | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:14 | comment | added | Astralbee | @Apollyon That is a different context, and a different meaning of "claim" - to assert your right to, and collect something you have earned. | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:12 | history | edited | Astralbee | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:12 | comment | added | Apollyon | Does "claim" only mean "request" in "She has finally claimed a place on the team"? | |
| Dec 20, 2019 at 12:10 | history | answered | Astralbee | CC BY-SA 4.0 |