What is the difference between 'associations hidden between objects' and 'hidden associations between objects'? Aren't both referring to the associations that are hidden and not the objects themselves?

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    In both expressions, "hidden" refers to the associations. But in first sentence, we literrally understand that an association can hide inside an an objects list. In the second one, it is clear that "associations between objects are hidden". – Graffito Aug 9 '16 at 13:25
  • But are the ideas for both expressions the same essentially? – kwotsin Aug 9 '16 at 13:26
  • In the first expression, associations are not necessarily associations between objects: they just hide somewhere in objects definition. – Graffito Aug 9 '16 at 13:35
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    The ideas are not the same for both expressions. Associations and associations between objects aren't the same idea; associations hidden between objects isn't the same idea as hidden associations between objects. You can't just put words anywhere in sentence, like Russian. – John Lawler Aug 9 '16 at 14:08

Associations hidden between objects:

  • There are some associations
  • They are hidden
  • Their hiding place is between objects

Hidden associations between objects:

  • There are some objects
  • These objects have associations with each other
  • These associations are hidden


  • In the first phrase the associations could be any associations; in the second phrase they are "associations between objects".
  • In the first phrase the associations hiding place is "between objects"; in the second phrase they could be hiding anywhere

No, they are not the same.

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