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Suppose there is a situation that can be expressed in two sentences:

They will have come by the time the bell rings. I will have finished before that.

Is it possible (grammatically correct) to put it in one sentence like this:

I will had finished here before they have come back by the time the bell rings.

If yes than what the tense is it?

  • They will come here by the time the bell rings, I will have finished before that. I guess.. I am really second guessing myself here. – Jioden Oct 19 '16 at 11:39
  • H-m-m... but that is likely the same two sentences but with the comma instead of the point :) – Markus Marvell Oct 19 '16 at 12:32
  • There's some ambiguity here, which is actually difficult to resolve however you express it in English. Will you have finished before they come back, or before the bell rings? – Mike Scott Oct 19 '16 at 12:47
  • Exactly! If i formulate the situation in two sentences. But it's quite clear in one because had + V3 points on precedence to have + V3. – Markus Marvell Oct 19 '16 at 13:02
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    An interesting fact: in English, there can be only one finite (tensed) verb in a non-coordinate finite verb group. To borrow an example from Wikipedia, He was believed to have been told to have himself examined. Only was is finite. – Damkerng T. Oct 19 '16 at 14:17
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There is no such a tense in english. An alternative way of expressing what is intended by your expressions could be ''I will have finished the job (task, homerwork etc) by the time they come this midnight''

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  • That's right. But I've slightly changed my initial question to indicate that final time can be expressed by an action which may play a role in forming tenses of other clauses. Does it change something? – Markus Marvell Oct 19 '16 at 11:00
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    I reckon you are trying to adapt and project the precendence relationship between past perfect tense and simple past tense to the future tense. The same kind of precendence does not exist in current grammer in the future tense. Sure one can try to build a new future tense structure and try to impose it into daily usage and of course the acceptance would hinge upon whether any vacancy exists in that realm. My new suggestion would be ''I will have finished here by the time the bell rings as they will have come back'' Thus the adverbial conflict between ''before'' and ''by'' would be prevented. – Ufuk Akpinar Oct 19 '16 at 12:05
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    Precendence?? What's that? – Lambie Oct 19 '16 at 12:48
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I must admit that Future Past Perfect constraint in question is grammatically incorrect hence impossible. The point is will can not be followed by verb in past tense. E.g. will had. So Future can not be combined with Past Perfect.

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They will have come by the time the bell rings. I will have finished before that.

How to structure a single sentence the previous two sentences.

Corrected sentence: I **will have finished before they come and the bell rings.

will have finished = Future Prefect, the second (adverbial) clause is in the present.

Please note: before, after, when do not take WILL when followed by a verb. The first clause is future or future perfect, the second is just present tense.

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  • Yes, you're right about will after before... I'll correct my question. As to your variant, it contains an uncertainty as for the sequence of events if it's important. I finish > They come > Bell rings. – Markus Marvell Oct 19 '16 at 13:16

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