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Which of the follows sentences sounds natural to you as an English speaker? Are both the sentences correct? And should I use plural or singular nouns after "no"?

Here are the sentences:

  • No man is better than a woman when it comes to maintaining relationships.

(or)

  • No men are better than women when it comes to maintaining relationships.

My grammar book says "no" can be used with both singular and plural nouns, but I am not sure in this case and have some doubts about using plural nouns after "no".

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  • First one is correct. – Elgs Qian Chen Apr 11 '18 at 21:18
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    Why? My grammar book says "no" can be used with both singular and plural nouns. I am not sure in this case and have some doubts about using plural nouns after "no". That's why I have asked this. Can you please explain why only the first one is correct? Thanks in advance. – user254288 Apr 11 '18 at 21:30
  • I'm sorry. I think the second also sounds right. – Elgs Qian Chen Apr 11 '18 at 21:36
  • If you have doubts about using plural nouns after "no", consider the sentence "there is no snake in Ireland." Wouldn't "there are no snakes in Ireland" sound much better? – Peter Shor Apr 11 '18 at 23:13
  • What made you think contrary to your grammar book? – Kris Apr 12 '18 at 9:35
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They are both grammatically valid, but you have to be aware of the logical context. They are both correct from a strict grammatical perspective, but the first one makes more sense and sounds much more natural in this particular construction. In the context of a comparison ("is better than") the reader needs to know what is being compared. When you use the plural, it sounds like you're comparing one group to another, and it is not clear what the group is.

Typically there is only one man and one woman who would be in a relationship at any given point in time, so the singular sounds better. When you say "no men are better than women at maintaining relationships", it implies there are multiple men involved in the type of relationship in question. Unless the context specifically relates to same-sex relationships or group relationships only, it's confusing and doesn't seem to fit the logic of the proposition.

There might be instances where comparing groups like that might make sense. For example, you could say "no Americans are better than Canadians at fielding a hockey team". The literal implication is that you could select any group of Americans and any group of Canadians and that would always be true, so probably it's logically false, but because people play hockey in groups it makes a little bit more sense. It's the sort of thing a drunk Canadian might say instead of "Canadians are usually better at hockey than Americans."

Where "no men" makes more sense. Outside of the comparison context, it is easier to find circumstances where "no men" makes sense and would be the more natural usage. For example, "no men are allowed into the women's restroom" sounds good and it is clear that you're referring to all men everywhere.

In general the construction "no man" sounds a bit like a proclamation. It is not unheard of for ordinary use, but perhaps more something a king or philosopher would say. So the phrasing "no man is allowed into the women's restroom" is fine in a technical sense, but sounds a little bit like a sign on a royal bathroom (or an English language learner). The phrasings "no man has set foot on Mars" and "no men have set foot on Mars" are both equally valid and natural. Because going to Mars is a grander undertaking, the more dramatic phrasing of "no man has set foot on Mars" becomes more appropriate than when you are discussing a bathroom.

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The first one is correct.

"No" can indeed be used in this way with both singular and plural nouns. Generally, though, when dealing with hypothetical people (as opposed to specific ones) you'll want to use the singular: "no man," "no woman," "no one," etc.

A good use of "no" with a plural noun would be dealing with specific people or events. "No men were around, so Sue felt comfortable talking about what was on her mind."

  • Use citations in answers, if you please. – lbf Apr 11 '18 at 22:00

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