I went to the disaster zone last year. It had been 12 years since the tragedy had happened.

Is this "had" – the one just after the word tragedy – necessary?


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Had been creates a past perfect construction which accomplishes at least two things:

  • It establishes clearly that the tragedy occurred 12 years before you went to the disaster zone, not twelve years before the present.

  • It establishes the "Reference Time" for your discourse—the time where your discourse will be "anchored"— at the time you went to the disaster area, rather than in the present, while permitting you to move coherently between the two past events, the tragedy and your visit.

Had happened is not strictly necessary to establish the sequence—you may, and in conversation probably would, use a simple past, or simply omit the verb altogether—but it reinforces location of Reference Time at the time of your visit. This will not be a discourse about the tragedy or about your present experience, but about the impact of the tragedy on what you saw and experienced when you visited.

You may read a great deal more about the meaning and use of perfect constructions at Canonical Post #2: What is the perfect, and how should I use it?, particularly sections 3.1 (What does the perfect mean?—Grammatical Meaning), 3.2 (What does the perfect mean?—Pragmatic Meaning), and 4 (How and when should I use the perfect?).

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    Thank you. But I wasn't talking about the first had but the second. Since the tragedy "had" happened.
    – user2492
    Jan 26, 2014 at 18:10
  • @birdman1234 My apologies; I stupidly overlooked your perfectly plain emphasis. I have added a paragraph to address this. Jan 26, 2014 at 18:23
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    Thumbs up to @birdman for pressing the point! The second had is indeed "not strictly necessary", and on purely stylistic grounds I suspect most speakers would avoid it (because it makes the whole utterance rather "ponderous"). But in some (literary?) contexts it can definitely be justified (because it reinforces the location of Reference Time, not because it echoes/balances the first had). Jan 26, 2014 at 21:54
  • @StoneyB Thank you. It's possible to say "It was 12 years since the tragedy happened.?"
    – user2492
    Jan 27, 2014 at 0:54
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    @birdman1234 You can. I don't much like it, but that's personal. Jan 27, 2014 at 1:35

The second instance of had is unnecessary. Happened communicates a past event, making it redundant.

Words should improve communication. Density, specificity, and readability are the important characteristics. Eliminate the word and test the result, if it doesn't increase one of those characteristics, eliminate it. For example:

It had been 12 years since the tragedy happened.

Did the sentence lose density, specificity, or readability? The density was increased, readability improved, and specificity unchanged, so the result is an improvement.

Furthermore, since communicates that the 12 years is referring to a period of time between two events. Since and tragedy are therefore both event based, rendering the information in the word happened redundant. Let's try a further reduction:

It had been 12 years since the tragedy.

Even better.

It communicates that 12 years elapsed between the tragedy and the event. All of the information using fewer words equals improved communication.

  • I'm a bit uneasy about "between the tragedy and the event" there. All we know is that "the tragedy" predates "it" by 12 years - that's the "existential it", which may not correspond to any particular "event" at all. All "it" represents is the "Reference Time", as per StoneyB's answer. Jan 26, 2014 at 23:47

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