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Native speakers, how can you comment such a sentence:

I shall come, not will

Can I use it for

I will definitely come, not maybe


Adding some information other people asked me about.

How I came to such a question.

Here Shall and Will Usage

I asked about "Shall I win?" pointing that it could have some variants of understanding:

1) Shall I win? = Should I win? (suggestion)

2) Shall I win? = Will I win? (archaic with 1st person)

3) Shall I win? = is it 100% that I will win? (predestination\inevitability)

The excellent guy Mixolydian said either variant was possible, that it didn't matter what person you used "shall" with, it could have this "predestination\inevitability" anyway. Out of this we're getting that nowadays we can use "will" for simple future actions and "shall" for almost predicted (almost 100% surety of happening) future actions.

If I want to say to someone:

Don't be afraid, I will come anyway.

Don't get panicked, I will definitely come

Be sure, I will come in any case

I can use "shall" for it meanining an action into which I will put 100% effort:

I shall come!

And what if my original sentence is

Don't doubt, I will definitely come, not maybe or probably

Can I use

I shall come, not will

pointing that "shall" guarantees me putting all my strengths into it while "will" doesn't give any assuarance that I will do everything to finally come.

As I understood, it wasn't very easy to ask such a question because English was different everywhere - US, UK, Australie, Ireland etc. I heard it was acceptabse to use even "thee\thou" in Ireland or somewhere like that while all other world has already forgotten such words...

P.S. What I got from the answers ias that it was better to forget about the existence of "shall" cause it created so many misunderstandings:D

  • @KentaroTomono Well, first of all, there really is no "question" in this question. OP has particularly asked [or made a statement to] native speakers "how can you comment such a sentence:" - note the use of colon as opposed to a question mark. Second, is OP looking for answers or comments? Third, it is not clear what OP means by this - "I shall come, not will" - or this - "I will definitely come, not maybe". Is OP asking "Can we use shall and not will in "I shall come"? OP's statement does not sound like that. – AIQ Oct 21 '19 at 8:22
  • @KentaroTomono Fourth, OP has not shared with us what research they have done to solve their problem. If you see the posted reason to why this was put on hold, you will see that it says "Please edit to add the research you have done in your efforts to answer the question ...". It is reasonable to expect that an "asker" first search google, ELL, or EL&U for similar queries and try to solve their problem (i.e., learn themselves). OP has not mentioned if they have at all made any efforts. – AIQ Oct 21 '19 at 8:29
  • I would also add that there's no background information on where the OP found the sentence is question. A little context is needed to understand if there might be a question lurking beneath the ambiguity. – urnonav Oct 21 '19 at 13:46
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SHALL with I and We, and WILL with You and the remaining subjects is the usual future tense. However, the exact reverse is used (WILL with I and We, and SHALL with You and the remaining subjects) when more surety is attached to the sense. According to my professor, the first is ordinary future, and the second, coloured future.

  • You want to say "I shall come" - standard, "I will come" - more surety, "You will come" - standard, "You shall come" - more surety. This way? It still works or it's how it worked at Shakespeare's times? – Michael Azarenko Oct 18 '19 at 11:16
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Arguably to a native

I will come

sounds more definite than

I shall come

Depending on the overall context you could convey a similar idea with an English colloquialism "No ifs or buts about it" - My answer is not conditional

Speaker 1: If you're free you should come along, but don't worry about it too much

Speaker 2: No ifs or buts about it! I shall/will come

Shall sounds more "posh", "fancy" or "upper class," whereas will is much more common in regular speech.

  • Yeah, I know "shall" is kind of aristocratic. But here englishpage.com/modals/shall.html it's said about the inevitability. So, "shall" is 1) just posh 2) just for a bigger guarantee 3) can be both? – Michael Azarenko Oct 18 '19 at 11:19
  • Depends where you are. For me I shall is normal (well, I'll is normal, but...). I would be unlikely to say I will unless I am strongly emphasising the will. I'm English. – Colin Fine Oct 19 '19 at 13:33
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I shall come

I will come

I shall come, not will

I think native speakers do not say that I will come, not shallor I shall come , not will.

They will say:

I will come

or

I shall come

In fact , There is no difference between the usage of shall and will in the modern English usage especially with the first person though the purists say thatI shall come is more emphatic and formal than I will come..In modern English will is replacing shall in all tenses especially with the first person. shall is preferred by the purists for second and third person for obligations and in questions and for suggestions with first person.

However, the distinction between shall and will is followed in Great Britain even now. They say:

Shall I open the door?

but not

Will I open the door?

Here is the link which shows the use of will and shall

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/british-grammar/future-will-and-shall

  • But "shall" gives some inevitability while "will" doesn't, no? – Michael Azarenko Oct 18 '19 at 10:13
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    It is said that the practice in Scotland differs from that in England. So, the Scotsman who got into difficulties in the sea off the English coast, and shouted "Nobody shall save me, and I will drown!" did indeed drown because the English who heard him thought it was a statement of intent. In practice, however, in spoken English everyone says "I'll come", so @Englishmonger is right to point out that there is no difference in usage, these days. – JeremyC Oct 18 '19 at 21:51
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    NO! It depends where you are. As @JeremyC says, most people say "I'll come". But if I (from England) say "I will come" I mean "I am making a commitment to come", as against "I shall come" which is neutral. Even more in the interrogative: "Shall I open the window?" is normal for me. If I said "Will I open the window?", I am asking somebody to predict. For Scottish people I know, though "WIll I open the window?" is normal. – Colin Fine Oct 19 '19 at 13:37
  • Blank spaces come after a comma, but not before. And "in fact" is not one word. – J.R. Oct 19 '19 at 23:40
  • No.He was drowned.Because they understood that he wanted to commit suicide. – successive suspension Oct 20 '19 at 4:26

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