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In my another post ("time adverbs" vs. "adverbs of time") I said

I suppose these 2 sentences are both grammatical and idiomatic.

I guess the sentence above is grammatical.

I also see lots of people use "both these" or "both of these". And both are grammatically correct.

So, I am thinking if it is still is grammatical when I rewrite that as

I suppose both of these 2 sentences are grammatical and idiomatic.

Could someone please give a hint?

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    Note that, when including small numbers in text, we normally write them in words rather than numerals... two rather than 2. You could actually omit two from the second sentence, since both may only be used with two things (sentences, in this case). – JavaLatte Mar 6 at 10:37
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In the first sentence:

I suppose these 2 sentences are both grammatical and idiomatic.

both refers to the two properties of the sentences, grammatical and idiomatic.

However, in the second sentence:

I suppose both of these 2 sentences are grammatical and idiomatic.

both refers to the two sentences.

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