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How to make noun from present perfect form? I mean we can make noun from present simple by adding –ing:

teach (a verb) -> teaching (can be used as a noun):

I like his way of teaching.

Is it possible to add –ing to the end of present perfect to make noun? For example, is the following sentence grammatically correct?

Having been tired of trying, he wants to give up.

or

having bankrupted, We were disappointed.

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  • The only way to "make a noun" from a verb in English, is to add ing to the bare infinitive. By the way, we say: to go bankrupt. But: /having gone bankrupt/ is not a noun. It is a verbal phrase. "Being tired of trying, he just gave up." being tired of=as he was tired of //more usual. – Lambie Aug 31 '20 at 17:15
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    @Lambie: "The only way to "make a noun" from a verb in English, is to add ing to the bare infinitive" //////// Is it really the "only way" to nounise verbs in English? – Void Aug 31 '20 at 17:28
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    @Wistful Ditto. Nominalization of verbs takes many forms. Nominalization itself is a noun nominalized from a verb. To nominalize means more than adding -ing to the bare infinitive of a verb. – Eddie Kal Aug 31 '20 at 17:34
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    Yes, nouns can be formed from the ing form of verbs, as in "I witnessed the killing of the seals". "Kim was involved in the writing of the letters". These are not formed from the base forms, but directly from the gerund-participle ing verb forms. Note that in your example "having" is a verb, not a noun. – BillJ Aug 31 '20 at 17:42
  • @EddieKal Excuse me, but nominalization means the use of a word that is not a noun as a noun. BUT: there is only one way to create a noun from a verb and that is by adding ing to the bare infinitive, sometimes doubling the end consonant or dropping a vowel: stop, stopping, arrive, arriving, leave, leaving, get, getting, fly, flying. – Lambie Aug 31 '20 at 17:49
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First, you are confusing tense with participle. The present simple is a verb form in accordance with the present simple tense in English. It is not the same as the unmodified base verb form, not even in its formation. The unmodified form is the bare infinitive of a verb, but the present simple is often not. For exmaple a third person singular subject will conjugate the verb "eat" to "eats" in the present simple.

Second, you are confusing two similar but distinct concepts in English: gerund and present participle. A gerund is a verb form that allows the verb to function as a noun, and a present participle of a verb is a form that allows the verb to function as an adjective, adverbial, or a tense marker in conjunction with an auxiliary verb. In English these two simply happen to share the same form.

With technicalities out of the way let's look at your sentences.

I like his way of teaching.

"Teaching" here is a gerund--a verb used as a noun. You know this because you can replace it with a noun.

I like his way of meditation.

Having been tired of trying, he wants to give up.

Here "trying" is a gerund, but "having" is not. It is the present participle of "have" leading a participial phrase "having been tried of trying". The present participial modifies the subject of the sentence "he". "He" has been tired of trying. The same goes for your next sentence:

Having gone bankrupt, we were disappointed.

Note it is "go bankrupt" and "we" should not be capitalized.

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Having been tired of trying, he wants to give up.

This is formed correctly - but having been tired of trying I believe is participial phrase - the phrase modifies he wants to give up like an adjective or adverb.

present perfect form

Verbals (which include infinitives, gerunds, and participles) don't have tenses - so technically they can't be past or present. But you can use have to express a perfect infinitive, gerund, or participle.

Gerund:

I have gone to the park today.

Having gone to the park is something I have done today.

Infinitive:

I want to go by the park today.

I want to have gone by the park before she gets home.

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Sorting out the present perfect, participial phrases, gerund nouns and gerund phrases.

The present perfect is this:

A - He has taught for many years. B - We have learned how to read Hindi.

The present perfect is have + a past participle (third person s or es) as can be seen above and below:

  • have been
  • have seen
  • have walked.

You can see that you cannot add ing to those two sentences (A and B).

Now, let's look at the type of verbal phrase you are trying to use based on A and B:

A - Having taught for many years, he decided to leave the profession.

B - Having learned to read Hindi, we were now able to read many new authors.

Those are called participial phrasea.

Participial Phrases are present participles or past participles and any modifiers, objects, or complements. Participial phrases contain verbs which act as adjectives in a sentence.

participial phrases

Your examples are similar to those in that they use participial phrases:

  • Having been tired of trying, he wants to give up. [See corrections below]

  • Having become tired of trying, he wanted to give up. [past participial phrase] OR

  • Being tired of trying, he wants to give up. [present participial phrase]

Please note: We would often use: as he became tired and as he is tired, as those participial phrases are somewhat heavy, though they can be very useful at times.

Finally, your question is really about transforming a present perfect into a participial phrase and not a noun.

In: /I like his way of teaching./, teaching is a noun, called a noun gerund or gerund. Of course, it is also a verb: I am not teaching this afternoon.

You can form nouns from any verb by adding ing, and sometimes you have to double the consonant (stop, stopping) or drop a vowel (leave, leaving). However, that was not the actual issue brought up in the question's examples.

Finally, there are gerund phrases that can be used as the subject of a sentence:

  • Having eczema is no fun.
  • Having been a thief was his burden to bear.

A gerund phrase is a phrase consisting of a gerund and any modifiers or objects associated with it. A gerund is a noun made from a verb root plus ing (a present participle). A whole gerund phrase functions in a sentence just like a noun, and can act as a subject, an object, or a predicate nominative.

Bear in mind: some gerunds (get, getting, drop, dropping, leave, leaving, please, pleasing) call for doubling the final consonant or dropping a final vowel before the ing.

gerund phrases

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  • @BillJ There is absolutely nothing in it that is nonsense based on the way the OP asked his question. You are just angry because of how I explained how to get a gerund from an infinitive. Tsk tsk tsk. – Lambie Aug 31 '20 at 19:04
  • Not angry at all. You don't understand conversion, do you? Go look it up. – BillJ Aug 31 '20 at 19:05
  • You are clueless about how to talk to ELLers, aren't you? "Yes, nouns can be formed from the ing form of verbs, as in "I witnessed the killing of the seals". Read what you said! It is materially off: Nouns can be the ing form of verbs. NOT FORMED. The ING form of the damn verb is ALREADY a noun, – Lambie Aug 31 '20 at 19:13
  • It is you that is clueless about grammar. The ing form of a verb is not already a noun. In "He was expelled for killing the birds", "killing" is a verb. But in "He witnessed the killing of the birds", "killing" is a noun formed by conversion from the gerund-participle verb "killing", not from the base form "kill". Elementary stuff. End of. – BillJ Aug 31 '20 at 19:30
  • @BillJ It is already a noun in the dictionary. Of course, not in an utterance or sentence! What you are "converting" is the function it serves in a sentence: That's what makes it a noun or verb. – Lambie Aug 31 '20 at 19:34

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