I prepare a guideline for my colleagues to follow, and I am not sure what is the correct phrase in this context:

Ask the R&D for feedback about their satisfaction with our cooperation up to that/this point in time.

This is a step in the middle of the process, so the cooperation continues. Normally, I would say "so far" but I assume this cannot be used when not referring to a present moment that I am talking about.

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I'd prefer to use so far here.

If you say up to this/that point in time, you're specific enough to imply that you have a specific cutoff date in mind. Now your colleagues need to work out if you were writing the note from their perspective or yours - does this point in time refer to "this point in time when I'm writing it" or "this point in time when you're reading/executing the instructions"? Does that point in time refer to "that point when you'll be reading it" or "that point when I wrote it"?

It's ultimately no less ambiguous, but scares your colleagues into thinking "what if @John V meant feedback up to when he wrote it, and he'll yell at us if we try to gather feedback about further dates"?

On the other hand, so far is general enough that your colleagues probably won't think twice about it and just interpret it as "so far" from their perspective as well.

  • I see, thanks. I thought I cannot use "so far" because there is no real present moment, it is a general guideline.
    – John V
    Mar 9, 2021 at 7:42
  • @JohnV so far still works well for a general guideline, and probably better than the alternatives. Though ultimately no one's going to keep asking R&D "how was your satisfaction up to *checks date on guidelines* March 9"? every single day. Mar 9, 2021 at 7:51

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