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Pour over the glass with the ice cream

Pour over the glass of Madeira or wine

Are they similar or are there differences?

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    I'm afraid I can't really understand either one. – snailboat Sep 9 '14 at 12:10
  • Context or actual usage examples? – user3169 Sep 9 '14 at 17:06
  • @snailplane, user3169 I think it's in the context of cooking or making some sort of food or beverage. For example, I found this sentence on the web, "Next pour over the glass of white win and add the tomato puree; salt and pepper and cook for ten minutes over a hot flame." (Life and Food in the Dordogne, by James Bentley). I find it unfamiliar because instead saying "pour something over another thing", they say "pour over something" where that something is the thing we pour, or probably it could be said that it pours. I decide to leave this open for others who know better that me. – Damkerng T. Sep 9 '14 at 18:07
  • Details, please. – Tyler James Young Sep 9 '14 at 21:32
  • @TylerJamesYoung Check out the answer from oerkelens. It may not be clear why the asker wants to know about these two sentences, but he asked what the difference was, and he's been answered. – DCShannon Sep 10 '14 at 23:42
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Your sentences seem strange.

If I look at FreeDictionary I find:

pour (all) over someone or something
to flood over someone or something. (Compare this with pore over something.) The water from the broken dam poured all over the rocks standing at its base. The spilled milk poured over my lap.
pour something over someone or something
to cover or douse someone or something with something. As I poured the cooling water over myself, I felt relaxed for the first time since I began the long hike. Mary poured some milk over her cereal.

The first definition makes little sense in the context, unless you left out ants or something similar that poured over the ice cream.

More likely, the sentences come from a recipe, and the stuff that is poured over the glass is mentioned earlier:

Whip the cream slightly. Pour over the coffee.

Basically, the pour over is the same in both sentences and does not form any connection with of or with. The cream poured over the coffee contains no with or off and is constructed the same way as your examples.


So, what is the difference? Why do we say a glass of wine but a glass with ice cream?

We use of when we refer to a measure of something:

a kilo of sugar, a cup of rice, a glass of wine, a spoon of oil.

When we refer to something that contains something, we usually use with:

a box with a ball, a chair with a baby, a glass with ice cream.

The confusing thing is, that we do not measure ice cream in glasses, but wine is measured in glasses. "A glass of ice cream" sounds strange to most people, but "a glass of wine" is a very normal expression (how many glasses did you drink?).


Now let's go back to your sentences.

The first sentence seems to clearly indicate that something should be poured over the ice cream (that happens to be in a glass). Probably a recipe along these lines:

Put the ice cream in a glass and arrange the strawberries next to the ice-cream.
Mix the fruit juice with the liquor and pour over the glass with the ice cream.

The second sentence is more puzzling. I would not expect to pour something over my Madeira. I usually would pour Madeira over something else! In this case "glass of Madeira" is a _measure! A recipe could be:

You'll need fresh fruit and a glass of Madeira (or wine).
Cut the fruit and place it in a nice bowl. Carefully pour the glass of Madeira (or wine) over the fruit.

Since recipe-writers usually care more about the food than the language, the sentence may have been shortened to pour over the glass of Madeira. Most readers would readily understand it and usually context will make clear what gets poured over what:

You'll need fresh fruit and a glass of Madeira (or wine).
Cut the fruit and place it in a nice bowl. Carefully pour over the glass of Madeira.

Would literally mean you should pour the cut fruit, from the nice bowl, over the glass of Madeira. Very few people will do that (but as a recipe-writer, you should be more careful!)

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