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When you want to put them together, should you say "bread and" or "bread with"? Do North American use "with" and "and" inverted in this case?

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  • It's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
    – Robusto
    Commented Feb 2 at 3:43
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    This needs context. Please give example sentences.
    – DW256
    Commented Feb 2 at 7:00
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    Certainly in the UK the standard expression is bread and butter, bread and jam, bread and cheese etc. Commented Feb 2 at 7:59
  • Indeed , that is the Conclusion I get from "google ngram viewer" , @KateBunting , though Statistics is not everything.
    – Prem
    Commented Feb 2 at 8:20
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    If you're discussing different ways to serve bread: "I like my bread with cheese but he likes his bread with peanut butter". If it's your shopping list "bread and cheese". Other contexts will vary.
    – Stuart F
    Commented Feb 2 at 10:05

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I'm a bit of a home baker, and British. To me, something accompanying bread would generally use "and". So "bread and cheese", "bread and jam", and definitely "bread and butter", which are all toppings. As an appetiser, a menu might have "bread and olives", which could be served separately.

Bread "with" something, to me, is more likely to mean the something is an enhancement that's part of the bread, and would have a further preposition: I make "bread with seeds in" or occasionally "bread with cheese [baked] on top" (also called a "cheese topped loaf"). But "with" could be used in something like "lunch will be bread with cold meats and cheeses"; the use of "and" in the list of foods forming the rest of the meal makes "with" helpful in such a construction where an item is followed by a list of others, rather than being a member of that list.

If bread itself is the accompaniment to a meal, "with bread" would be normal ("with bread and butter" in some cases).

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  • Bread and butter as a pair is the same in AmE. But those words are not always paired. They can occur in other forms in English.
    – Lambie
    Commented Feb 3 at 15:04
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    @Lambie - I don't think either Chris or I were suggesting that they couldn't - just that bread and ... is the most usual. Commented Feb 3 at 16:20
  • @KateBunting Yes, fine. It is also the most usual in AmE.
    – Lambie
    Commented Feb 3 at 17:11
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According to "google ngram viewer" , the Usage Data is that everybody is using "and" & almost nobody uses "with" , even when considering "bread" combined with "cheese" or "butter" or "jam" , in general.

The Image shows that "and" is used almost exclusively , while "with" is not even visible on the Image.

BREAD COMBINATIONS

This trend in common to US & British English.

Culinary Observation : jam is not "common" , while butter is the "standard" , with cheese taking the "middle spot".

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  • This data is not helpful without more context. It simply tells us that these two words show up more frequently in a coordination than they do with one as dependent of the other - not really surprising. Try an ngram of 'garlic bread * cheese' and you'll get quite a different result. The point of the question, I believe, was when they are combined or paired, as in a sandwich or on a platter.
    – DW256
    Commented Feb 2 at 7:15
  • I am not sure what you mean , @DW256 , this is what I got [[ i.sstatic.net/i4Mep.png ]] where "asterisk" is not working for me , though "with" still has no match & "and" is available !
    – Prem
    Commented Feb 2 at 8:17
  • Like this.
    – DW256
    Commented Feb 2 at 8:25
  • Oh , I got that now , thank you , @DW256 , Ok I see that "garlic" list Percentages are 100 times less than my list Percentages & are not "Statistically Significant" , what-ever that means ! More-over , these are showing up recently : My guess is that these are the Pizza Shop Items , where Customers might want Pizza/Bread with Cheese/Sauce. In that Case , "with" is always used , where "and" is for multiple items. Eg "I want a large Pizza with vegetable toppings and garlic bread with cheese" : here "with" & "and" will not get mixed up. Else-where , "and" seems 100 times more common !
    – Prem
    Commented Feb 2 at 8:43
  • That's just my point - it really depends on what the OP meant by 'put them together': appearing next to one another in the language in general (Remember to buy some milk, bread and/with cheese!), or as in parts of a single food item (Ooh, this bread and/with cheese looks yummy!). Of course and will be far more common in the former.
    – DW256
    Commented Feb 2 at 8:53

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