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In this text, why do we use the past-perfect here instead of the simple past tense for "double"?

The chart shows the percentage of people aged 65 and over in the United States between 1900 and 2000. In the year 1900 just over 4% of the population was aged over 65. However, by 1960 this figure had doubled.

(emphasis added)

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    I'm not quite sure what you're asking. We use the past perfect tense there because that's exactly the situation in which you most commonly use past perfect. Can you edit to explain what part of that is confusing? May 16, 2015 at 22:23
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    ... it had doubled... in 1960... who knows where it is now... it could have disappeared or quadrupled...
    – Catija
    May 16, 2015 at 22:35
  • This is a hard question. It may be hard for native speakers to empathize with the confusion felt by a non-native speaker wondering why this sentence is in the past perfect. I see that you posted the question four years ago. Does the choice of past perfect tense seem less mysterious now?
    – Ben Kovitz
    Oct 18, 2019 at 9:07

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I've suggested this reference when similar questions come up. Here's an excerpt explaining the two cases it is used:

  • The Past Perfect expresses the idea that something occurred before another action in the past. It can also show that something happened before a specific time in the past.

  • With Non-Continuous Verbs and some non-continuous uses of Mixed Verbs, we use the Past Perfect to show that something started in the past and continued up until another action in the past.

This is a bit tricky, but the way I'm understanding it, this sentence:

The chart shows the percentage of people aged 65 and over in the United States between 1900 and 2000.

establishes a context where we are talking about the population from 1900 to 2000.

So, the "before" action or specific time that this sentence references

However, by 1960 this figure had doubled.

is the percentage of people aged 65 and over in the United States in 2000 (the end of the implied progressive action of the population growing from 1900 to 2000).

The "before" action or specific time may not always be explicit. In cases like this where the connection is rather weak and the time is explicitly specified I don't believe it's wrong to just use the simple past tense.

However, by 1960 this figure doubled.

This doesn't sound wrong to me.

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  • Just a note here, after accidentally coming across this question: As a non-native myself, I would have a hard time explaining what rule governs the OP's example, even though I wouldn't hesitate to use past perfect myself; reason being, that the preceding sentence (which has been omitted from your answer) is in the simple past [In the year 1900 just over 4% of the population was aged over 65], although it actually refers to an even earlier point in time. Speaking of the 1960s in past perfect after having spoken of the 1900s in simple past is pretty confusing for a non-native...
    – m.a.a.
    Nov 13, 2022 at 8:44
  • [continuation]: What's more, one who merely is somewhat grammatically trained but lacks contact with spoken, colloquial EN, might surmise that if future perfect (will+have+past participle) is used for things that happen by a particular subsequent point in time in reference to the present, then would+have+past participle should probably be used for things that happen by a particular subsequent time in reference to the past. In practice, though, that's not the case. I'm actually wondering, why not say "by 1960 this figure would have doubled"? Respectfully
    – m.a.a.
    Nov 13, 2022 at 8:58
  • It does sound wrong to me as a native English speaker, but not to any point where I would misunderstand it. Further reference: "In short, we use the present perfect to talk about recent or past events that happened at an indefinite time, and we use the past perfect to refer to something that occurred before something else."
    – Tim
    Mar 24 at 16:46
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When you say 'by a point in time', you use the perfect tense. As it is 'by 1960' i.e. a referral to a time in the past, the past perfect should be used. The use of past tense sounds unnatural.

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  • As @whynotall says, the perfect tense(s) are used when something happens “by” a particular point in time (and the use of that preposition “by” in this case can actually mean “no later than” rather than “at or nearly at” said time point). These further demonstrations (with context in parentheses) may help clarify: future perfect, “By midnight we will have arrived.” (It’s only 7PM and we’re still driving). Past perfect “By the 3rd of April the snow had melted so we couldn’t ski.” (It’s June now. I say “We went to the mountains at the end of March & rode dirtbikes.” You ask “Why didn’t you ski?”) Oct 29, 2022 at 22:35
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The "by [some point in time]" usually means that whatever you are talking about happened before that point in time.

When talking about the future, e.g.

The possibility that we will have mostly decarbonized our economies by the time nuclear fusion becomes commercially viable is not a given. The New York Times

the future perfect is used precisely because you are talking about the past from the point of view of a future event (in the example, nuclear fusion is in the future and decarbonization is also in the future but in the past in relation to nuclear fusion).

So in most cases using this construction "by + [past event]" you will use the past perfect. In your example, the figure already had doubled by the time 1960 arrives, i.e. even in 1960 the doubling is in the past, and because 1960 is also in the past, we use past perfect.

However, there is a situation where simple past may be used, and that's with state verbs. e.g.

By then, she had different interests and remembered nothing of the period I had written about. The New York Times

because on that past time referred by the "by", the states (having different interests and remembering things of the mentioned period) were still true, so the simple past is in reference to the same time period as the "by", and not a time before.

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Why not say: In 1900, just 4% of the population was over 60 years old, but by 1960, that percentage doubled.

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  • Because it is important that the completion of the doubling occurred in the past, prior to other relevant events that are being discussed or would have occurred later than 1960.
    – Tim
    Mar 24 at 16:43
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If you just use the simple past tense, the sentence will seem "off" to many native speakers.

However, by 1960 this figure doubled.

The confusion isn't really over which tense to use. It could be as you think of it, a simple action that happened in the past. 1960 is obviously the past of now.

Rather, it's subject/object confusion. As written, it's unambiguous:

However, by 1960 this figure had doubled.

When we use the past perfect tense here, most readers assume that the subject (this figure) and the object (this figure) are the same. We could write:

However, by 1960 this figure had doubled itself.

But that isn't really necessary, most native speakers would understand "figure had doubled" to mean that the value of the figure had become twice what it once was.

But when we write,

However, by 1960 this figure doubled.

It can seem incomplete. What has the figure doubled? Had it doubled the number of Americans receiving old age pensions? Had it doubled the number of Americans in nursing homes? Or had it simply doubled itself, the number of Americans over 65?

I realize that it probably seems incomprehensible that "had doubled" resolves this confusion, since we could just as easily write:

However, by 1960, this figure had doubled the number of Americans in nursing homes.

But somehow, it does resolve that confusion. If no other object is specified, it had doubled itself.

And as others have mentioned, since 1960 is a specific point in the past, it is at least technically more correct to use the past perfect tense.

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