How do you say "one of those" or "one of them" fast or naturally? Is it "one uh those" or "one uh them " where 'uh' is the schwa and the 'v' sound is just skipped? When I try to say it myself I think that's what it is, but I couldn't find any sources to confirm, so, can anyone confirm this?
In some regional dialects (southern or rural US) the 'of' would be shortened as you say, but usually it should be said as written.– TofystedethMar 7, 2016 at 18:59
If you must shorten beyond proper English, why not rephrase to a more concise form?– legowave440Mar 8, 2016 at 16:03
People say this expression a lot, like at a store, "can I get one of those?" and I know that they are not fully pronouncing the 'v' there.. but I can't quite make out what they're doing. I don't think it has to do with any 'proper' English by the way... it's just the way people say it (maybe without thinking). And I want to know how they do it, or what they're doing exactly.– MaxMar 9, 2016 at 6:10
1I say it (with my Australian accent) a bit like the contraction of words with 'have' (eg: would have, should have). The pronunciation would be closest to 'wunnev' (lol, i don't do the ipa thing). I have heard it the way you describe as well: 'wunner' those.– mcalexMar 9, 2016 at 11:39
@mcalex I think your connection with the 'would have' was very interesting or revealing.. maybe if you can say the 'v' and 'th' quickly without interruption in a smooth way, which would require skill (which needs specific practice to acquire, and is not just there for non-native speakers to begin with), maybe it results in the natural desired sound without having to drop the 'v'.– MaxMar 10, 2016 at 6:07
Without getting into regional dialects, I commonly hear the following in conversational English:
- One Of Them: we'll squash the words "one" and "of" together, softening the "f" to sound more like a "v", and hacking the "th" of *them" off completely for a final result that looks like "one of 'em."
- IPA: /wʌn əv ɛm/
- Spell: /wun uhv em/
- One Of Those: we'll squash the words "one" and "of" together, but instead of softening the "f" we hack it off completely, and leave the "th" of those intact, for a final results that looks like "one o' those."
- IPA: /wʌnɒ ðoʊz/ or /wʌnʌ ðoʊz/
- Spell: /wunna thohz/ or /wunnu thohz/
I think that maybe "wʌnʌ ðoʊz" is really close enough to the 'real'/'proper' thing that noone really notices when they hear it, that there was no 'v' sound made. Also I heard that some people pronounce the 'v' as 'b', I presume because it's just easier, and is not such a bother to pronounce. Or it could be that most of the people are in fact just dropping the 'v'... I guess I just can't be sure because people really seem to vary what they do... how they pronounce things.– MaxMar 10, 2016 at 6:14