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1 I saw you ate

2 I saw you had eaten

3 I thought you were right

4 I thought you had been right

1 and 2 are clear to me. 1 at the same time 2 first eating then seeing for example crumbles. What about 3 and 4. 3 at the same time and 4 first being right and then thinking. It doesn't make sense to me. I think that I need to add something like "I thought you were/ had been right when I saw you". Why is that that when it comes to 1 and 2 I don't need to add anything but with 3 and 4 I have to.

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The "past perfect" is used when the speaker is viewing events from a later (but still past) point in time. Sometimes that later point in time will be associated with a specific word ("saw" and "thought" in your examples) but sometimes it will not: it will already have been established in the discourse or (particularly in narrative) it may not have been mentioned but the use of the past perfect itself established a temporal viewpoint. (For example, a story might begin "He had been a moody child" - this establishes that the temporal viewpoint is later, when he was no longer a child, or no longer moody).

So your fourth example is fine as it is: the thinking takes place at a later time than the being right.

It's also worth noting that the use of this complex form is usually optional: English speakers often don't use it when the temporal relationships are obvious, or are unimportant. So your 1 and 2 could refer to precisely the same set of events, and similarly your 3 and 4.

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  • It amazes me how many times we have to repeat, the past perfect is preceded in time by a verb in another past tense, usually simple past, stated or implied. "I thought you had been right" implies an earlier thing like: when I first heard the story.
    – Lambie
    Commented Feb 5 at 16:51
  • I do know that Lambie. I try to say that it is weird to me that when I say I saw she had eaten I do not need to add anything and nothing has to be implied but with my second example I thought you had been right it seems to be that we don't say before thinking but before another event stated or implied Commented Feb 5 at 17:40
  • I saw she had eaten. Here I show that she ate first. I thought you had been right here we don't show that first was being right and then thinking bit we add anothen event. That's why I stuggle with that Commented Feb 5 at 17:45
  • "I thought you had been right" is only credible if the current "narrative focus" is some point in past time when you changed your mind. I don't find it credible if the speaker has only just changed his mind - in that case, he should say "I thought you were right". And don't get me started on "I had thought you had been right" - anyone who thinks they're still learning English should never waste time on such a pointlessly convoluted usage. Commented Feb 5 at 19:19

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