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From [Rodney Huddleston Geoffrey K Pullum. (2017). The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language. p.23.]

We can represent the structure of sentences in more detail than is done in a diagram like [2] if we show the category to which each constituent belongs, as in [6].

Should it be detail(than detail is represented in a diagram), or the structure(than the structure is represented in a diagram)?

Syntactically, the detail is more appropriate,but,semantically,the structure is more appropriate.

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  • Mr. Wang: Allow me to give you some advice. These authors are considered to be tops in the grammar field so I don't think one should try and edit what they are saying. Also, I can't see what you mean clearly. You should write out the whole sentence. To do something in more detail than is done [in some place] is fine in English.
    – Lambie
    Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 15:59
  • than detail is represented in a diagram? What do you mean?
    – Lambie
    Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 16:39
  • By "omitted" OP is referring to what virtually fills the "slot" or "gap" in the comparative syntactic structure. Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 18:29
  • The original sentence is only marginally grammatical. given or supplied or presented or shown or provided would work better than done. It has to be the past participle of a transitive verb or an adjective formed therefrom. I think the author had in mind "than is typically provided" and "done" is a synonym for that phrase. "That kind of thing is simply not done!". Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 18:31
  • The clue is the word "more" which indicates it's a comparison. More detail in X than in Y. Rewriting it with excess words is less good than understanding the structure.
    – Stuart F
    Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 21:02

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Consider someone talking about how to make a painting of a fish:

We can render (the appearance of the fish) ( in a more realistic style) than was done on this painting to my left, if we apply some silver paint.

With "than was done", the comparand must be the entire verb phrase "render the appearance of the fish in a more realistic style". do is semantically anchored to the verb.

If we choose a different verb, for example, "than was used" or "than was employed", the comparand becomes "style". was employed is anchored to what was employed, the style.

We can render (the appearance of the fish) ( in a more realistic style) than was employed on this painting to my left, if we apply some silver paint.

I personally find the "done" version somewhat awkward, as the semantic focus is on the style chosen to render a realistic appearance, not the action of rendering a realistic appearance per se.

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  • There really is nothing to criticize. Unless there is a typo or some egregious grammar thing (unlikely for these authors), I would be very careful in trying to criticize them...
    – Lambie
    Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 16:01
  • @Lambie Be as careful as you like. I used the word "personally", and that's enough to say it's my opinion, and merely an opinion. And I feel it is not hubristic of me to hold an opinion on the matter. Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 16:13
  • In any case, I would never say "on a painting" for "in a painting". On a canvas, in a painting.
    – Lambie
    Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 16:17
  • Ah, but you see "in" is from the perspective of the viewer, whereas "on" is from the perspective of the painter. Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 16:19
  • "But when I sit there and try to fabricate a technique on a painting – for example, try to paint like Fechin – well, it just comes off as false." boldbrush.com/blog/170208/… Commented Dec 20, 2023 at 16:22
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The basic structure is "We can (action) (comparison) than (method1) if we (method2)", so:

We can represent the structure of sentences in more detail than is done in a diagram like figure 2 if we show the category to which each constituent belongs.

Is broken down as

  • "represent the structure of sentences" - action
  • "in more detail" - comparison
  • "[creating] a diagram like figure 2" - method1
  • "show the category to which each constituent belongs" - method2

The clause "in more detail", as a whole, qualifies the action "represent the structure of sentences", and compares two methods of achieving that.

Grammatically, the comparison could be replaced, like "using fewer colours", or even just "better".

Compare a much simpler example:

We can move ourselves faster than by walking if we run

  • "move ourselves" - action
  • "faster" - comparison
  • "by walking" - method1
  • "run" - method2
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  • Comparisons call for using the word "more". You have listed two with no "more". to do something in more detail than x.
    – Lambie
    Commented Dec 21, 2023 at 14:43
  • @Lambie I don't understand. Are you saying that "running is faster than walking" is not a comparison? Is there some other word I should have used rather than "comparison", that would cover the category including both "faster" and "in more detail"?
    – IMSoP
    Commented Dec 21, 2023 at 15:04
  • Never mind. I'm having trouble with move ourselves faster. That does sound weird. You do not fully explain: x in more detail than x. In fact, you don't directly address it at all...
    – Lambie
    Commented Dec 22, 2023 at 18:30
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Sample sentence:
We can represent the structure of sentences in more detail than is done in a diagram like [2] if we show the category to which each constituent belongs, as in [6].

Answer to the OP's question: Nothing is omitted in "represent the structure of sentences in more detail than is done in a diagram like [2] if we show the category to which each constituent belongs, as in [6]."

Possible synonyms for done if one must use one:

We can represent the structure of sentences in more detail than is done in a diagram like [2] if we show the category to which each constituent belongs, as in [6].

  • in more detail than is used in a diagram like [2]
  • in more detail than is shown in a diagram like [2]

to do something in more detail than is done, used or shown in [some thing] is idiomatic in English.

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  • If not omitted, what is the subject of 'is' in "than is done", detail?
    – Mr. Wang
    Commented Dec 21, 2023 at 4:01
  • Just saying something "is idiomatic" isn't very helpful to learners. What does the idiom mean? What are some other examples, rather than copying the example from the question twice?
    – IMSoP
    Commented Dec 21, 2023 at 7:31
  • @IMSoP If something is idiomatic, there is no need to rewrite it. However, it can be restated to show what it means in another way. The OP asked if something was omitted in the sentence. Answer: No, nothing is omitted.
    – Lambie
    Commented Dec 21, 2023 at 14:41
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    @Lambie I am suggesting that "restating to show what it means" would be useful to a someone learning English, which is who this site is for. Without that, you're just saying "you've understood the sentence wrong" without giving them a chance to understand it better.
    – IMSoP
    Commented Dec 21, 2023 at 15:03
  • @Mr.Wang "We can represent the structure of sentences in more detail than is done [passive verb: by the person who did the diagram] in a diagram like 2"=the structure of sentences
    – Lambie
    Commented Dec 21, 2023 at 15:36

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