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You are insane if dumb old you wants to do that.
You are insane if dumb old you want to do that.

You are insane if you want to do that.
You are insane if you wants to do that.

Which two of these sentences are correct and why? Very confusing to me and cannot find answer on google. thank you

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  • if dumb old you wants to do that, you are insane. OR If dumb old you wants to do that, dumb old you is insane. And it would be exactly the same principle if we replace dumb old you with stupid you. Commented May 7 at 11:57
  • You can't usually add adjectives in front of a pronoun in English (like dumb old you, rich him, smart her, etc.) unless it is an exclamation like "Poor you!" It's understandable, but it is so non-standard that it is immediately noticeable.
    – stangdon
    Commented May 7 at 13:11
  • Dumb old you wants to do that. Now, just add: You are insane and if.
    – Lambie
    Commented May 7 at 23:35

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Using you with an attributive adjective (which is to say an adjective in front of it) is generally interpreted to create a third-person reference to the listener (or reader). The same goes for me. Thus you might hear things like

If I go to the trouble and expense of earning a college degree, future me will appreciate the investment I made in them

where the antecedent of them is “future me.” (Note too that in such usage, the subject of the clause is expressed in terms of me and not I.)

Thus, dumb old you could easily call for wants. I would add though that the noun phrase dumb old you strikes this native speaker of American English as an odd turn of phrase.

And here’s an additional warning. As pointed out by @FumbleFingers in the comment below, the personal pronouns are not a class of words that typically accepts modification, so most uses of such constructions are quirky in tone and anyway fairly nonstandard. So learners of English should probably avoid them. My example, for instance could be rephrased along the lines of

If I go to the trouble and expense of earning a college degree, I will afterwards appreciate the investment I made in myself.

(There are a few counter examples that are safe because of their wide usage—things like silly me! and poor you!)

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    +1 for "an odd turn of phrase". Even your "future me" example is quite likely to be written using "scare quotes", to alert the reader that you're playing fast and loose with language. I'd advise learners to steer clear of the construction, since it's not reliably "productive" for generating idiomatically acceptable variations. Commented May 7 at 11:47
  • You can invest in an undertaking as well as in a person. You're using singular 'them' in your example, which complicates (and I'm not sure about the correctness of not using say 'him' or 'her', as the gender is obviously known). Commented May 7 at 13:39
  • This is what the French call an alambiqué explanation.
    – Lambie
    Commented May 8 at 0:43
  • Thanks, @Lambie, for sharing your verdict. Any actually constructive suggestions on how to improve it? Commented May 8 at 1:20
  • I just think I was more to the point, that's all. And I definitely do not agree with all these "steer clear" pieces of advice. I sometimes wonder if those of you proffering that advice as English speakers have ever actually learned or had to learn another language. ELL is quite complicated. After all, there is such a thing as very advanced learners.
    – Lambie
    Commented May 8 at 14:15
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dumb old you is the subject of the sentence and it's third person.

Dumb old you wants to do that. A man wants to do that.

Just add: you are insane if

Only object pronouns with a modifier can be a subject of a sentence like that one.

The old me would not do that.
The new you is very nice.

Without a modifier, they would not be grammatical in standard English.

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